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our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to come through he and meet with all of the senate democrats for the meeting you were talking about with the senator. sounds as though they're doing a little talking about -- a little bit of a game plan about how they're going to present this to the caucus, and obviously, that's a very delicate issue for reasons we have been talking about. the democratic caucus, many of them are not happy. in fact, i have to tell you i was told by one democratic senator when they put up on a screen, they put up yesterday in a meeting that democrats were having, they put up almost like a power point, i believe, some of the aspects of the p
our photographer just saw him go into harry reid's office. he's currently meeting, i don't know, one-on-one, or maybe with other members of the senate democratic leadership in the office of senator harry reid, which is just around the corner from where i'm standing right now. you see this crowd of people behind me. those are reporters waiting to see if the vice president is going to come through because he's eventually going to come through he and meet with all of the senate democrats for the...
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reid said everybody can go home until about 11:00 tomorrow. tomorrow is new year's eve, for those paying attention. and apparently, there's no dignity left in the senate or house and they will be in tomorrow on new year's eve pretending like they're going to get to some kind of resolution here. >> what do we know about where they are, robert? did the inclusion of the vice president make any difference? what do you know? >> i think that's a key point, chris. tin collusion of vice president biden in these talks means that though these talks are stalled, negotiations continue. harry reid and mitch mcconnell had some problems getting to a final offer, final counteroffer this afternoon. but the inclusion of vice president biden means the white house is in the loop with what minority leader mcconnell is doing. >> how much hope is really the question here, ryan? taking the cost of living essentially, the cpi off the table for social security, which was going to be a non-starter for harry reid and for the president, so i guess the republicans could sa
reid said everybody can go home until about 11:00 tomorrow. tomorrow is new year's eve, for those paying attention. and apparently, there's no dignity left in the senate or house and they will be in tomorrow on new year's eve pretending like they're going to get to some kind of resolution here. >> what do we know about where they are, robert? did the inclusion of the vice president make any difference? what do you know? >> i think that's a key point, chris. tin collusion of vice...
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harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the senate majority leader has talked to the president. has there been any reaction from the white house today. >> reporter: the white house is not commenting on these negotiations that are going on over on the hill. they do not want to derail them by speaking out, by agitating the situation, but i tell you that there is a lot of investment here going on behind the scenes. in addition to mitch mcconnell speaking to vice president biden, the president sent his top negotiator, one of his top negotiators, rob nabors over to the hill. he's meeting with senate democrats as well this afternoon. a
harry reid, before his closed door luncheon, said he was still cautiously optimistic. hard to see from our perspective why he would say this because things seem pretty bleak at this point, though you never know what's going on behind closed doors. melissa. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on that podium because senator harry reid is apparently going to come out and speak in a few minutes so we'll watch for that. let's go to the white house correspondent kristen welker. we know the...
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so i'm getting the sentence that harry reid and the democrats don't want a deal. they want to go off the cliff. >> well, and that's certainly one opinion that's out there, andrea. the cpi aspect, democrats said, you know, we were willing to do that if you were talking about a huge 4 trillion dollar teal deal where we're going to cut a lot of different things, but as part after smaller deal they're trying to iron out over the course this have weekend, they said that that was a poison pill. so bottom line, they were not happy with this at the last minute. they made it well-known to everybody today to certainly stop it from happening so then we heard from a lot of republicans saying, fine, if it's a deal breaker, we're not going to do it and certainly the republicans would like some other sweeteners that would be appealing to them in the final deal. >> and do people in washington, to they realize how angry a lot of americans are? we're down to the wire on a financial crisis that we haven't seen in a long, long time, and there's no agreement. they're scrabbling like k
so i'm getting the sentence that harry reid and the democrats don't want a deal. they want to go off the cliff. >> well, and that's certainly one opinion that's out there, andrea. the cpi aspect, democrats said, you know, we were willing to do that if you were talking about a huge 4 trillion dollar teal deal where we're going to cut a lot of different things, but as part after smaller deal they're trying to iron out over the course this have weekend, they said that that was a poison pill....
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harry reid was going to bring a bill to the floor. they applauded him tonight for getting that threshold up. so they feel that is a success on tax breaks. and igore as i understand it. all of your good friends and the respectful liberals, they do not want $400,000 they would rather go back to $200,000. they don't want to cut spending. they want the 250. it is what he campaigned on and what he wanted. the president has put medicare cuts on the table. and very controversial with his caucus. a lot of us think it should not be off the table. he went there. he went there half way more. >> the senate democrats vetod any cost of living adjustment. >> right. this is why he had to be pushed out and mitch mcconnell had to be taken over by joe biden. they don't want to cut spending they want to raise taxes. if you want to talk about it later, it should be part of a different deal. but when it comes to different cuts in medicare. this is what is on the table. it brings efficiency into the system. it was part of the president's budget in 2012. rep
harry reid was going to bring a bill to the floor. they applauded him tonight for getting that threshold up. so they feel that is a success on tax breaks. and igore as i understand it. all of your good friends and the respectful liberals, they do not want $400,000 they would rather go back to $200,000. they don't want to cut spending. they want the 250. it is what he campaigned on and what he wanted. the president has put medicare cuts on the table. and very controversial with his caucus. a lot...
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senate majority leader harry reid said we should talk to vice president biden and mitch mcconnell. earlier republicans suggested changing the way inflation is calculated on changes like social security read offered this reaction late in the day. >> i was really grass fied to hear republicans taking command by social security set off the table. this should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides negotiations continue. still time left to reach an agreement. >> meanwhile west virginia democrat joe mansion introduced the calm act trying to soften the blow as the country goes off the fiscal cliff. it would maphase in tax hikes or the years and prioritize spending cuts. he says he's frustrated and tried to do something. >> it was crossing the wires it's more than frustration it sounds like desperation at this point as they are losing hope. the chained cpi the social security adjustment you were talking about basically changes the way they configure the cost of living and would make those benefits smaller checks. does it soun
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harry reid says he has reached out to the president on the phone a couple of times. republicans say there is no single issue that should break this. there is something that democrats are talking about. what we have learned is in an offer presented by republicans last night at 7:00 included within that was a request to make a change to how future increases to the payments of social security would change. not taking any money away presently but over the years to come reducing the amount of increase. that is called chain cpi. for democrats it is a nonstarter. here is majority leader harry reid. >> we're not going to have any social security cuts. at this stage that doesn't seem appropriate. i still hold out hope that we can get something done but i'm not overly optimistic but i am cautiously optimistic. >> so you hear some sense that there might be a potential for movement. i think we have to judge everything in little incremental steps. why do republicans want that? basically their focus is if they are giving on tax increases which we get the indication they are willin
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and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing a critical role in these negotiations, really the entire time. but especially since saturday when leader mcconnell reached out to him and asked him to get more engaged, which he did. and that is really when we saw this ball move forward. and now it appears inching closer by the hour to the end game. so, again, president obama reaching out to key leaders on the hill, making sure that they agree with this deal. and it appears at this hour that they do. and vice president biden now going to sell to it the caucus. milissa? >> all right, kristen welker, stand by for us, if you please. let's go to nbc
and again, president obama tonight calling harry reid, nancy pelosi to make sure that they both signed off on this deal, which they have. so now we have the vice president who is just arriving at the hill. he is going to sit down with the democratic caucus, sell this deal to the caucus, answer their questions, answer their concerns. but, again, the broad outlines of the deal have been agreed upon by all the major players who are involved in this. of course, vice president biden has been playing...
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reid and got biden in there to make what they feel is a bad deal? >> well, i think there's probably -- i don't know if that's being for harry reid so much. i definitely know that is the opinion of some liberals in the house, but i've spoke to a member today who is pretty middle of the road centrist democrat, and he told me that he did not like the fact that there's no guarantee for the debt limit to go up within -- for an extension of the year tored to get those 450,000 rates. i think what people need to see here is if you look back at what's happened to this congress with boehner and mcconnell and the house gop, this is what they do in negotiations. they go all the way to the end. they try to bring the white house to their knees. they get everything they want. there's this idea that, well, maybe they'll come back the next time and try to get it done ahead of schedule and we'll all sing kum baya. this really is in the hands of congress, and we saw how that played out in 2011. >> i want to bring the panel in, because i think that luke just hit on the
reid and got biden in there to make what they feel is a bad deal? >> well, i think there's probably -- i don't know if that's being for harry reid so much. i definitely know that is the opinion of some liberals in the house, but i've spoke to a member today who is pretty middle of the road centrist democrat, and he told me that he did not like the fact that there's no guarantee for the debt limit to go up within -- for an extension of the year tored to get those 450,000 rates. i think...
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but senator reid said his preference is 250,000, which i agree with, by the way. what we're talking about is 4.6% increase in taxes. that means if you're making 250,000 ayear for every additional 1,000 you'll pay $46. the notion of paying $46 out of 1,000 for wealthy people has any negative affect on anybody, i confirmed this talking to one of wealthiest men of boston, i asked if we were to raise taxes by that amount on him would he know it if his accountant didn't make a point of telling him. he said of course not. but in any case the 400 is an effort to have a compromise. and then maybe you bring in some other elements. but -- >> let me ask you about other things being talked about here. politico describes talks as hanging by a thread and say now that this change, potentially the social security taken off the table by republicans, the problem is over sort of turning off the sequester, those tens of billions of dollars in spending cuts. >> yes. >> democrats, we are told, tell me if i'm right, they want to use some revenue from increased taxes to postpone those cu
but senator reid said his preference is 250,000, which i agree with, by the way. what we're talking about is 4.6% increase in taxes. that means if you're making 250,000 ayear for every additional 1,000 you'll pay $46. the notion of paying $46 out of 1,000 for wealthy people has any negative affect on anybody, i confirmed this talking to one of wealthiest men of boston, i asked if we were to raise taxes by that amount on him would he know it if his accountant didn't make a point of telling him....
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what does harry reid do? does he blink obama's plan to the floor or try to work with mcconnell in this 11th hour. you will have a tough vote for many house republicans. if that level is at 250 and it includes unemployment, make it so republicans may not. >> joy, do you think we have a deal? >> you know, ill'm still very dubious. but if there is a deal, it will be with a majority of democrats in the house and there's a political risk for boehner in that. >> thank you. you've been watching "hardball." we'll be back in one hour with an all-new live edition. until then, "politics nation" starts rite now. >> thanks, richard. thanks to you for tuning in. breaking news, president obama urges congress to make a deal to overt the fiscal cliff. he announces no deal, but progress may be in sight. >> and that would be the wrong thing to do for our e con mu. it would be bad for middle class families and bad for businesses that depend on family spending. fortunately, congress can prevent it from happening if they act right
what does harry reid do? does he blink obama's plan to the floor or try to work with mcconnell in this 11th hour. you will have a tough vote for many house republicans. if that level is at 250 and it includes unemployment, make it so republicans may not. >> joy, do you think we have a deal? >> you know, ill'm still very dubious. but if there is a deal, it will be with a majority of democrats in the house and there's a political risk for boehner in that. >> thank you. you've...
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you just heard senate majority harry reid. he spoke. from what you know about the details of this biden deal, did we get it right? is there any other detail you're aware of here? >> i'm not aware of all the specifics. i think generally you outlined what i have understood as the present status of negotiations. all of us believe i think that going over the cliff should not be the option that we follow. but it's been very, very difficult to get any kind of agreement in this congress. i don't mean just the last few days but in this congress, unfortunately. but giving up is not an option for us. we have another 13 hours as has been pointed out if we can reach agreement, if we can have a unanimous consent in the senate i think there is still time to act but of course it's running out very, very quickly. >> how is the mood? do you feel good about this? or do you believe we'll go over the cliff here? >> well, i'm still hopeful. while we're here all the members are in washington, ready to act. the issue is whether or not we can come to a consens
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harry reid's comments that you played earlier. it does not look like the democrats are going to budge on the chain cpi. they've publicly taken a stand against it. ironically on the same day where barack obama noted that he was in favor of perhaps agreeing to chain cpi as part of a bigger deal. so from what i can tell, the chain cpi is off the table for democrats. if that's not enough for the -- if that's a must-have for the republicans, then we're not going to have a deal. >> i'm going to interrupt you, we're going to keep tracking this story together. >>> coming up next, a man you're not seeing on tv, he's playing in the background. he may be the most feared man in washington and he doesn't even hold office. >> if i went and became a tibetan monk on the top of some mountain somewhere, the american people would still, they were against tax increases long before i was born. the whole tea party thing predates me. >>> grover norquist on the fiscal cliff showdown and why politicians won't back down from signing his anti-tax pledge. so
harry reid's comments that you played earlier. it does not look like the democrats are going to budge on the chain cpi. they've publicly taken a stand against it. ironically on the same day where barack obama noted that he was in favor of perhaps agreeing to chain cpi as part of a bigger deal. so from what i can tell, the chain cpi is off the table for democrats. if that's not enough for the -- if that's a must-have for the republicans, then we're not going to have a deal. >> i'm going to...
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shown absolutely good faith in just that we're a part on some pretty big issues. >> that was harry reid, the senate majority leader representing the democratic side of things. from the sound of both men, it appears that they are at an impasse. and certainly not optimistic when it comes to trying to reach any kind of any negotiated settlement right now. 6 we'll continue to listen in here. >> who yields time? i want to bring in dana bash. does it sound like they've broken off all talks. they've said, okay, that's it, i've made my proposal, you've made yours, we're too far apart. >> i wouldn't say they've broken off all talks. but what i will say is that this is very, very bad news, a very bad sign. as you and i talked about at the top of the hour, it is, it is good news or a good sign when we don't, we in the media don't hear a lot of what's going on in private. when either side decides to come out and say that there is a major setback or there is a big problem, that's a big red flag. the fact is that the republican leader came out and he said he wants to dance. close to a deal. he just n
shown absolutely good faith in just that we're a part on some pretty big issues. >> that was harry reid, the senate majority leader representing the democratic side of things. from the sound of both men, it appears that they are at an impasse. and certainly not optimistic when it comes to trying to reach any kind of any negotiated settlement right now. 6 we'll continue to listen in here. >> who yields time? i want to bring in dana bash. does it sound like they've broken off all...
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i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get a deal done? realist achally. >> absolutely. there is time. now, i know we went out of session today and won't be in session technically until monday. that can change over the weekend. through emergency. so what happens to saturday and sunday? i mean, we all rather be with our families and friends but the fact is america needs this done right now. you know what's disappointed me most of all, craig? talking heads, many of them on television and some members of my own party saying, well, it won't be as bad. we'll take it up in the new congress. i think
i think if harry reid does it, fine. let him do it. we need to think of what the country needs more than what each party does and concerned about the election on january 3rd? if nothing happens, he may have to worry about the election, john boehner. what i would advise him to do, he doesn't seek my advice, let me give you some advice. be what you want to be. do what you have to do. and democrats will support you if you do that. >> do you think at this point there's even enough time to get...
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>> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have different ideas. they want to see more cuts in spending right now. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to expire on new year's day. if an extension of that is not passed, the farm policies would revert to laws back to 1949 and cost of milk, that could skyrocket. back then the government used a formula to calculate dairy prices that is much more expensive than it is today. one option said to be on the table is short term extension that would prevent milk prices from rising. >> arthel: to other stories. a judge ordering a psychiatric evaluation for a woman suspected of shoving a man off a new york public is way platform. he was arraigned last night on murder and hate crime. she confessed to pushing a m
>> it's clear from senator reid said, they are not going to touch social security. but the president has made clear in discussions with speaker boehner, these entitlement programs will be on the table but only if it's a broader debt deal. republicans have different ideas. they want to see more cuts in spending right now. >> arthel: thank you very much. >> gregg: congress is not only facing a fiscal cliff, it's up a dairy clarify, if you will. the current farm bill is set to...
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staffers and a majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell are trying to negotiate a scaled-down debt deal to avoid some of the fiscal cliff and take other major decisions on taxes and spending to the future. again, in an afternoon white house meeting president obama pitch a debt plan he had outlined a week ago, prevent a tax increase for income of less than to an effective thousand dollars per year and extend long-term unemployment benefits. senate leaders are using that framework to try to craft a proposal to pass both houses of congress. aides say it would likely increase the threshold for tax increases, reversing massive pay cut from medicare doctors, and elections of millions of americans to avoid paying the alternative minimum tax. an increase in the debt ceiling is not part of the discussion. that is significant development for house republicans who won any increase in the borrowing limit it accompanied by an equal amount in spending cuts taking the debt ceiling of the table making it much easier for the scaled-down version to be negotiated. from here senate le
staffers and a majority leader harry reid, minority leader mitch mcconnell are trying to negotiate a scaled-down debt deal to avoid some of the fiscal cliff and take other major decisions on taxes and spending to the future. again, in an afternoon white house meeting president obama pitch a debt plan he had outlined a week ago, prevent a tax increase for income of less than to an effective thousand dollars per year and extend long-term unemployment benefits. senate leaders are using that...
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harry reid, the senate democratic leader is certainly very well-informed. he's kept apprised of what's going on just as the house speaker on the other side of the capitol is as well but these two men are probably hopefully going to work late into the night, maybe early in the morning to see if they can come up with some way to put this in real terms for americans, some way to avert the taxes for every american going up in a big way starting tomorrow night. >> so it's no burning the midnight oil for the senate because they're gone, and congress now, do we know? >> reporter: the senate has decided to formally -- the senate majority leader harry reid said about an hour ago that effectively there won't be any votes tonight. so the hope for getting a deal today that the senate can vote on which was the hope even going into the day, that's not going to happen. in fact, the house, they brought people back for a vote tonight just to have people here in case the senate could vote on something that they could send over to the house. none of that is going to happen ri
harry reid, the senate democratic leader is certainly very well-informed. he's kept apprised of what's going on just as the house speaker on the other side of the capitol is as well but these two men are probably hopefully going to work late into the night, maybe early in the morning to see if they can come up with some way to put this in real terms for americans, some way to avert the taxes for every american going up in a big way starting tomorrow night. >> so it's no burning the...
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we have senator harry reid on the floor. dagen: there is senator harry reid. >> it is for the date only. they will. dagen: roughly ten minutes each. >> mr. president, i was disturbed to read in the washington post this morning that some kind of agreements are being made here. somehow, the democrats have agreed to raise the level. dagen: we will monitor what is going on on the senate floor. we will see if senator harry reid has more comments to make. rich, my apologies for interrupting you and the congresswoman. i handed off to you. rich: this is where any time a congressional leader shows up, we are all over it. congresswoman, you are saying, the house has already voted to extend the tax cuts. tax rates go up for everyone or possibly maybe that five that 500,000 threshold. is that something you can still support? >> it was going to be 1%, on the top 1% for one year. here we are 100 years later and look at the mess. that is why we need systemic tax reform. what people want to see is us putting our focus on the spending side o
we have senator harry reid on the floor. dagen: there is senator harry reid. >> it is for the date only. they will. dagen: roughly ten minutes each. >> mr. president, i was disturbed to read in the washington post this morning that some kind of agreements are being made here. somehow, the democrats have agreed to raise the level. dagen: we will monitor what is going on on the senate floor. we will see if senator harry reid has more comments to make. rich, my apologies for...
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reid wilson, ryan grim, thank you both. we're just moments away from the house beginning their debate on this. well, thank you so much for watching. keep it right here on msnbc as the house officially gets back to work and, of course, happy new year to all. coverage continues on the fiscal cliff vote here on msnbc, the place for politics.
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host: harry reid did not have a role in these negotiations. guest: harry reid could not get his caucus to go along with the threshold. reid was not able to bring along a lot of his members to the deal. so biden stepped in. redid on board now. he refused to put social security on the table. the left is pretty pleased with how harry reid dealt with this. host: nancy pelosi supposedly signing off on this agreement. joe biden got most of the rank- and-file to approve this. now action moves to the house. is michael on twitter -- this is michael on twitter. guest: all revenue measures have to originate in the house. they put in the new language and sending it to the house ought to be approved. which is legal and is a funny tricks they have to do. i expect it to come up to a vote early this afternoon. host: here is a posting from red state. guest: if i were a republican, i would tell my fellow republicans they should get behind this deal. you are taking away the white house's leverage on tax rates. then talk about the sequester. you will be able to w
host: harry reid did not have a role in these negotiations. guest: harry reid could not get his caucus to go along with the threshold. reid was not able to bring along a lot of his members to the deal. so biden stepped in. redid on board now. he refused to put social security on the table. the left is pretty pleased with how harry reid dealt with this. host: nancy pelosi supposedly signing off on this agreement. joe biden got most of the rank- and-file to approve this. now action moves to the...
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the senate majority leader harry reid and john boehner exchange harsh words. the fiscal cliff in just five days and still no deal. the winter storm that slammed the south is now stranding thousands of travelers in the northeast and beyond. that is coming up. >>> and the russian president vladimir putin says he will sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." i'm trace gallagher in for shepard smith. first from fox at 3:00, back to work in washington, d.c. with less than five days to go before falls right off the fiscal cliff. the senate back in session today and it's the first time the senate or house has met for business between christmas and new year's in more than four decades. president obama cut his hawaii trip short arriving in washington early today. for now, the house of representatives is not in session but we've learned those lawmakers are set to return this weekend. today the senate majority leader, harry reid, says we've just about run out of time. >> if we go
the senate majority leader harry reid and john boehner exchange harsh words. the fiscal cliff in just five days and still no deal. the winter storm that slammed the south is now stranding thousands of travelers in the northeast and beyond. that is coming up. >>> and the russian president vladimir putin says he will sign a bill banning americans from adopting russian children. that's all ahead unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." i'm trace gallagher in for...
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hairy reid says the goal was to -- harry reid said the goal was to protect middle class families. >> middle class families are wake up assured their tax won't go you will 2200. they will know how to pay for car payments next year. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell said republicans agreed rather than let middle class suffer. >> we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone but we all knew that if we did nothing they would be going up on everyone today. we weren't going to let that happen. >> reporter: the house reconvenes at noon and is expected to take up the measure at that time. i am ed payne reporting. >>> many couples have been waiting a lifetime for this day. today, same sex couples can legally marry here in maryland. the measure was approved by voters back in november and sherrie johnson is live at city hall where some couples have already tied the knot. it's just five after six. >> reporter: that's right. a big day here in maryland. about 7 same sex couples tied the knot here at city hall in downtown baltimore. a historic day and baltimore mayor stephanie rawlings blake was act
hairy reid says the goal was to -- harry reid said the goal was to protect middle class families. >> middle class families are wake up assured their tax won't go you will 2200. they will know how to pay for car payments next year. >> reporter: mitch mcconnell said republicans agreed rather than let middle class suffer. >> we don't think taxes should be going up on anyone but we all knew that if we did nothing they would be going up on everyone today. we weren't going to let...
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harry reid followed by johnson -- john thune. >> thank you. i was gratified to hear the cuts are off the table. they should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides. negotiations continue. we intend to continue negotiations. we will come in at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. we will have further announcements. i hope so. >> next, talking about the fiscal cliff. john thune. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a republican deal? >> republicans advanced a proposal last night and you heard senator mcconnell talk about it on the floor. we're still waiting for a counteroffer. there was an indication we would receive the by 10:00 this morning, but discussions still continue. senator mcconnell and vice president joe biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there still could be a path forward. democrats have come out and made a huge deal out of changing th
harry reid followed by johnson -- john thune. >> thank you. i was gratified to hear the cuts are off the table. they should never have been on the table to begin with. there is still significant difference between the two sides. negotiations continue. we intend to continue negotiations. we will come in at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. we will have further announcements. i hope so. >> next, talking about the fiscal cliff. john thune. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon...
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reid is still a part of it. but what you bring with joe biden is those decades of experience, and understanding the mind said of lawmakers. he has been on both sides of deal-making over the years when he had the leverage or didn't have the leverage, and knows what it's like to be in a tight spot and willing to try to work things out and to get creative about finding solutions. what happens in these deals is that you have staffers who are experts in various areas when it comes to tax policy or spending. people who know the budget like the back of their hand. they're really at the table looking for those details. so you might have the big overarching thematic discussions that have been going on for a long time. i've had people in both parties say there is a fundamental trust between joe biden and mitch mcconnell that is helping things along. if that's going well, then it also benefits harry reid and it benefits speaker boehner arguably if people believe there is a sense of good faith going back and forth. they mig
reid is still a part of it. but what you bring with joe biden is those decades of experience, and understanding the mind said of lawmakers. he has been on both sides of deal-making over the years when he had the leverage or didn't have the leverage, and knows what it's like to be in a tight spot and willing to try to work things out and to get creative about finding solutions. what happens in these deals is that you have staffers who are experts in various areas when it comes to tax policy or...
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we told you yesterday there were rumblings of eagles would fire andy reid after 14 years. masco simmer down. he is the team's winningesten t playoffs since 08. chicago fired loveie smith. i don't get that. norv turner everyone knew that was coming and shurmur got night cleveland. five gms were told to hit the road. >>> slick roads and icy conditions are making it tough for drivers in kansas city. police responded to a number of crashs and a number of cars sliding off the roads. light snow and flurries continued throughout the overnight hours with temperatures falling well into the teens. mike. >> yeah. >> the drivers were told to avoid the slick conditions and stay off the roads. but who list tones that. bab -- listens to that. you are lamenting the loss of andy reid. >> it's tough. who is going to fill his position? >> well, there is the question. >> change for the sake of change never works. >> the devil you know versus the devil you don't. >> bel air not dealing with the snow or ice we showed you in kansas city. it's 40 degrees. it's mild. and a lot of locations are int
we told you yesterday there were rumblings of eagles would fire andy reid after 14 years. masco simmer down. he is the team's winningesten t playoffs since 08. chicago fired loveie smith. i don't get that. norv turner everyone knew that was coming and shurmur got night cleveland. five gms were told to hit the road. >>> slick roads and icy conditions are making it tough for drivers in kansas city. police responded to a number of crashs and a number of cars sliding off the roads. light...
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harry reid and mitch mcconnell are the key players. he sounded frustrated after not receiving a counter-offer. a key member of the leadership team offered this update. >> offeringses and discussions between and we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. obviously what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counter offer to the proposal the republicans made last night. hopefully the discussions between the.and senator mcconnell will get us on track. >> republican aides recognize the consequences if it falls apart. everybody gets a tax increase in 48 hours. >> well, it's less than 48 hours now. i'm wonder, are the democrats fighting among themself? >> there's a battle over social security. republicans are including a new way of calculating inflation to lower payments to recipients of social security. democrats had could consider it if it's part of a $4 trillion package. now republicans say it's off the table and key democrats are hopeful senate l
harry reid and mitch mcconnell are the key players. he sounded frustrated after not receiving a counter-offer. a key member of the leadership team offered this update. >> offeringses and discussions between and we remain hopeful that will get a breakthrough. obviously what happened here between the two leaders in the senate had broken down because the senate democrats failed to come forward with a counter offer to the proposal the republicans made last night. hopefully the discussions...
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he has reached out to majority leader reid, and nancy pelosi, to sign off. they gave it. so the white house right now feeling quite confident about this agreement that has been reached. of course, we're talking about the opposition that has been emerging from the left, including labor leaders, he says it is not good enough, why? because the tax rates are not the ones that president obama campaigned on. remember the president campaigned saying that he wanted to see taxes going up on those making $250,000 or more. this of course raises taxes on people making $400,000 or more, if you're single, $450,000 for a couple. so folks on the left saying this is not good enough. but the white house, mitch mcconnell, vice president joe biden believes it is a good deal because it represents compromise on all sides. i also spoke to one of my democratic sources who said look, if you look at the way the sequester has worked out, yes, it has only staved off for two months. however, they are off setting the cuts both through revenue as well as spending cuts. the reason democrats believe it i
he has reached out to majority leader reid, and nancy pelosi, to sign off. they gave it. so the white house right now feeling quite confident about this agreement that has been reached. of course, we're talking about the opposition that has been emerging from the left, including labor leaders, he says it is not good enough, why? because the tax rates are not the ones that president obama campaigned on. remember the president campaigned saying that he wanted to see taxes going up on those making...
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are expecting to hear from republican leader mitch mcconnell, maybe even senate majority leader harry reid, as of now so far as we know there is no fiscal cliff deal, but negotiations primarily betweens those two men are going on even as we speak or between their staffs. we're hearing a new sense of optimism from some senate members who believe they might be able to pass some kind of minimalist package that would keep tax rates from going up on the majority of americans. i want to go to capitol hill and cnn's senior congressional correspondent dana bash. dana, is that the sense you get that somehow we should be optimistic about whatever it is that's going on? >> you know, as we talked about before, you definitely get a feeling or the atmosphere here is that there is progress being made but in the same breath, but, there are still thingsing to worked out. as we wait for what we generally see when the senate opens which is the pledge of allegiance, a prayer and so forth, if you see the bottom of your screen, i'm not sure if you can see it, white hair, that is harry reid, the senate majority
are expecting to hear from republican leader mitch mcconnell, maybe even senate majority leader harry reid, as of now so far as we know there is no fiscal cliff deal, but negotiations primarily betweens those two men are going on even as we speak or between their staffs. we're hearing a new sense of optimism from some senate members who believe they might be able to pass some kind of minimalist package that would keep tax rates from going up on the majority of americans. i want to go to capitol...
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mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go, in fact. they're not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> right. so that's pretty much where we are now. boehner's out, mcconnell's out. reid says it's up to boehner, white house can't get boehner to talk to them. it's kind of a mess, senator schatz. and it is now part of your party. so what is the next move? there is late news tonight that president obama will convene a meeting of congressional leaders at the white house tomorrow afternoon to discuss the current impasse. and to give you a spirit of the compromise and sense of goodwill toward men in which republican house speaker john boehner is approaching this meeting here is a statement we were e-mailed by brendan bock. "tomorrow speaker boehner will attend a meeting where he will continue to stress that th
mcconnell basically said to reid i can't help on this one. how did harry reid respond? this way. >> speaker boehner should call members of the house back to washington today. he shouldn't have let them go, in fact. they're not here. they are not here. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> right. so that's pretty much where we are now. boehner's out, mcconnell's out. reid says it's up to boehner,...
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the majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader, harry reid reid. the majority leader. here is what we heard off-camara. apparently mcconnell said he spoke with vice president joe biden at 6:30 a.m. this morning. at 12:45 last night, which is technically a.m. asked if he was going to talk with him again? he said we'll get back. he was mum on whether he had spoken to senator harry reid. if something will be on the floor today and his optimism level, really just not talking about that so far. so we'll wait and see. heather: secretary of state hillary clinton's recent health problems taking a turn for the worst. secretary clinton is currently in a new york hospital today undergoing treatment for a blood clot. the condition stemming from a concussion that she sustained earlier this month and joining us now, the chief of division of robotics at mt. sinai hospital and a fox news medical a-teamer. thanks so much for joining us. >> sure, heather. heather: what i said in the introduction is just about all we know because a lot of information is not being released about this. can
the majority leader mitch mcconnell and minority leader, harry reid reid. the majority leader. here is what we heard off-camara. apparently mcconnell said he spoke with vice president joe biden at 6:30 a.m. this morning. at 12:45 last night, which is technically a.m. asked if he was going to talk with him again? he said we'll get back. he was mum on whether he had spoken to senator harry reid. if something will be on the floor today and his optimism level, really just not talking about that so...
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senate majority leader harry reid has not moved anything. so far they are moving on. going over the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, the president talked about it today. >> democrats and republicans in congress have to get this done. but they are not there yet. they are close. but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you are supposed to do, they will use that second. >> we will continue to work on finding smarter ways to cut spending but let's not let that hold up and protect americans from the tax hike to take place in ten hours. ten hours from now. we can do this. we must do this. >> bret: it's not clear whether they can. it's not clear whether that is all of them believe they must. bring in the panel. jonah goldburg. kirsten powers if for daily beast. syndicated columnist charles krauthammer. begin with the president's statement today that happened mid-day. he framed it as ed henry said as campaign style event. middle class families behind him. didn't have a lo
senate majority leader harry reid has not moved anything. so far they are moving on. going over the fiscal cliff. meanwhile, the president talked about it today. >> democrats and republicans in congress have to get this done. but they are not there yet. they are close. but they're not there yet. and one thing we can count on with respect to this congress is that if there is even one second left before you have to do what you are supposed to do, they will use that second. >> we will...
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many assume that is what will happen if harry reid put the president's plan on the floor. the negotiations over that are a big sticking point. i have heard from republicans that it may have gone as high as $500,000. they say they are negotiating but they will not say the number. i hear it may be as high as $500,000. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a republican deal? >> republicans advanced a proposal last night and you heard senator mcconnell talk about it on the floor. we're still waiting for a counteroffer. there was an indication we would receive the by 10:00 this morning, but discussions still continue. senator mcconnell and vice president joe biden are continuing to discuss this and we think there still could be a path forward. democrats have come out and made a huge deal out of changing this and republicans are very concerned that it should not be used as an offset to reduce or replace some of the spending cuts that would occur and de
many assume that is what will happen if harry reid put the president's plan on the floor. the negotiations over that are a big sticking point. i have heard from republicans that it may have gone as high as $500,000. they say they are negotiating but they will not say the number. i hear it may be as high as $500,000. >> thank you for the update. midafternoon today, senator john thune spoke with reporters on where things stand on the fiscal cliff. >> where do things stand as far as a...
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>> didn't reid say it's not on the table? >> yes. >> every bipartisan proposal does include those changes. >> understand what we're talking about is a short-term deal. dr. sachs is right, we have to get to simpson-bowles -- and michael is right -- we have to get to the framework of simpson-bowles to really solve the debt crisis. we haven't even taken a shot at that. we've wasted two months. we've kicked the can down the road. when we have to come to grips with the long term, yes, there has to be a framework along the lines of simpson-bowles. >> okay. so first of all, everyone understands how serious this is. and for those who are clueing in, those who are worried about their own personal economies, this is what's at stake. according to the congressional budget office, a fall over the fiscal cliff, which would happen at midnight tonight, would shrink the u.s. economy next year by a half a percent. unemployment would rise to 9.1%. the bush-era tax cuts would expire, hiking taxes in every bracket by an average of $3,400. america
>> didn't reid say it's not on the table? >> yes. >> every bipartisan proposal does include those changes. >> understand what we're talking about is a short-term deal. dr. sachs is right, we have to get to simpson-bowles -- and michael is right -- we have to get to the framework of simpson-bowles to really solve the debt crisis. we haven't even taken a shot at that. we've wasted two months. we've kicked the can down the road. when we have to come to grips with the long...
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. >> reporter: mayor reid is expected to arrive in several minutes and many see this as an insult and they can't believe he would come here and thank them because they say the way he has -- say the way he has treated the department. this is an annual tradition for him to recognize and public speak to them. moral is low in the department and the mayor has been unpopular with officers ever since he rechampioned their pension plans. they are fighting back and there has been enough officers retiring and releaving. we also learned 30 officers found the homicide rate has reached its highest level in 20 years and property crimes are on the rise. back out here live, we plan on talking to the mayor about how he feels what the officers are saying behind his back and what his goals are for the coming year. reporting live from san jose ktvu channel 2 morning news. >>> it has reopened following ahead on collision where for people were killed on highway 12 of vista. they are not releasing any details about the crash or if alcohol was involved. >>> law enforcement agencies were crackdown on drunk dr
. >> reporter: mayor reid is expected to arrive in several minutes and many see this as an insult and they can't believe he would come here and thank them because they say the way he has -- say the way he has treated the department. this is an annual tradition for him to recognize and public speak to them. moral is low in the department and the mayor has been unpopular with officers ever since he rechampioned their pension plans. they are fighting back and there has been enough officers...
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assume the house amends it, does harry reid even take it up? it depends what the amendment looks like. if it's going to be a significant spending cut, you have to understand, these negotiations are like jinga. piece upon piece upon piece. if you take something out, the whole thing can fall apart, and honestly, a spending cut amendment, especially one that would be accepted by all house republicans or a lot of the house republicans probably would hurt and blow away the carefully constructed compromise that was crafted and voted on early this morning. it's possible they could do it tomorrow because there's one day left. this congressional session expired 11:59 thursday. >> thank you so much. we hope they're not playing jangg on capitol hill but you did make it understandable for us. right now the country remains without a deal. we'll go to break and we'll join programming already in process. rachel maddow right after this. to turn it around, and we did. aig? we sa woman: we're helping joplin, missouri, come back from a devastating tornado. man: a
assume the house amends it, does harry reid even take it up? it depends what the amendment looks like. if it's going to be a significant spending cut, you have to understand, these negotiations are like jinga. piece upon piece upon piece. if you take something out, the whole thing can fall apart, and honestly, a spending cut amendment, especially one that would be accepted by all house republicans or a lot of the house republicans probably would hurt and blow away the carefully constructed...
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>> well, i wasn't able to hear what harry reid just said because we were on the air. and i had the piece in my ear. so i don't know exactly any other time table he gave. but what i mentioned as you and i talked a few minutes ago was the republican source was telling me expect the negotiations to keep going, that we weren't going to get a deal immediately, that things have to be scored and prepared and then members have to get briefed. so we'll go deeper in to the day in terms of this process and when any potential votes might happen, but i would expect that if biden and mcconnell spoke at 6:30 this morning, their staffs are probably buttoning up the results of that phone call. there may be more phone calls. and then when they have got a deal, when they have it scored and agreed upon, they will come out and we'll all know it pretty quickly. but not just yet. >> reid says fiscal cliff negotiations continue. differences remain. mcconnell is not on the floor. good sign? too busy working things out in the back room somewhere? >> i would think that's a good sign. if you're
>> well, i wasn't able to hear what harry reid just said because we were on the air. and i had the piece in my ear. so i don't know exactly any other time table he gave. but what i mentioned as you and i talked a few minutes ago was the republican source was telling me expect the negotiations to keep going, that we weren't going to get a deal immediately, that things have to be scored and prepared and then members have to get briefed. so we'll go deeper in to the day in terms of this...
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when it got to the house it got stuck, so senator inhofe and i and senator reid went over to meet with john boehner and chairman mica and we all agreed we'd get it done. neither side got everything they want and anyone who takes that position in my opinion is not putting country first. i don't care whether they are republican, a democrat, or anything else. we are not each of us going to get everything we want. lord knows. there's a lot i could do if i had a wand and could make it happen. but everybody has a different view of exactly how to go forward and i think we're being tested here. so i know it's tough going, and i know if we don't get a deal, it doesn't stop there, we'll keep on working. but there is no reason on this beautiful god's green earth why we can't get a deal here. if everyone is sincere in saying they want the middle class could be protected, we can get a deal here. president obama says $250,000 is the line, maybe i think $350,000 is the line, maybe someone else $500,000, maybe somebody else $150,000. we can meet somewhere and cut that reason somewhere in the middle. a
when it got to the house it got stuck, so senator inhofe and i and senator reid went over to meet with john boehner and chairman mica and we all agreed we'd get it done. neither side got everything they want and anyone who takes that position in my opinion is not putting country first. i don't care whether they are republican, a democrat, or anything else. we are not each of us going to get everything we want. lord knows. there's a lot i could do if i had a wand and could make it happen. but...
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all of those have been on leader reid's desk, and my question is why would he let it sit there? when you have paperwork on your desk, and let's say this is your employee, and the paperwork is marked on the desk urgent and some hitting in may and august and why not take it up. >> plenty of blame to go around, but last week, and go back a week ago -- >> okay. >> and when john boehner came up with what i kept seeing the pictures of john boehner and president obama sitting together and very good picture and they are both good guys to come up with a plan, and john boehner came up with a plan that democrats would not enjoy the idea that taxes going up on people earning more than $1 million a year and not acceptable for most people, but he could not get members of his own caucus to agree to it, so it is not fair for the republicans to somehow suggest that we are here because of the democrats. i am not saying that the democrats had nothing to do with it, but you can't get your own act together, and the republicans and the democrats in the house can't get their act together. >> well, we
all of those have been on leader reid's desk, and my question is why would he let it sit there? when you have paperwork on your desk, and let's say this is your employee, and the paperwork is marked on the desk urgent and some hitting in may and august and why not take it up. >> plenty of blame to go around, but last week, and go back a week ago -- >> okay. >> and when john boehner came up with what i kept seeing the pictures of john boehner and president obama sitting...
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. >> reporter: if these talks fail overnight, senate majority leader harry reid says he'll push a white house fall back bill, raising taxes only on families making over $250,000 a year, and also extend unemployment benefits for 2 million americans, that could face an up or down vote in monday's session. >> we're going to come in 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, and we'll have further announcements perhaps at 11:00 in the morning. i certainly hope so. >> reporter: so much at stake for your wallet. because if we go off the fiscal cliff, it will be the largest tax increase since world war ii. not to mention the fact that if there's no deal, the markets may react in a very negative way. at the white house, ed henry, fox news. >>> let's bring in fox 5's political analyst mark plotkin for more insight. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> despite the setback, both sides are saying there will be a deal. i'm wondering, is there political theater, and if so, what does it aid? >> i think a deal will be minimal. both parties are concerned that they will look bad. right now polls show that the publi
. >> reporter: if these talks fail overnight, senate majority leader harry reid says he'll push a white house fall back bill, raising taxes only on families making over $250,000 a year, and also extend unemployment benefits for 2 million americans, that could face an up or down vote in monday's session. >> we're going to come in 11:00 a.m. tomorrow morning, and we'll have further announcements perhaps at 11:00 in the morning. i certainly hope so. >> reporter: so much at stake...
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senator harry reid says they are waiting for the coo as well. let's go to nbc's kristen welker at the white house. tell us what you are hearing from your sources there? >> good evening, milissa. according to chuck todd, breaking details from that meeting that vice president biden just had. no one in the meeting said they were planning to vote against this bull once it does move through the senate, it doesn't mean they won't. they didn't voice opposition during that meeting, so that is significant this idea there is some liberal revolve doesn't seem to be coming to the floor, the vice president's agreement received very well. and speculation it could get as many as 80 votes. the vice president putting to caucus members this way. the second part of a three-part process. first was the budget control act. this deals with the issue of taxes, something that president obama has been talking since 2008. campaigned on this issue in 2012, and the third part will be that march trifecta, when you are going to have both the budget to deal with as well as the
senator harry reid says they are waiting for the coo as well. let's go to nbc's kristen welker at the white house. tell us what you are hearing from your sources there? >> good evening, milissa. according to chuck todd, breaking details from that meeting that vice president biden just had. no one in the meeting said they were planning to vote against this bull once it does move through the senate, it doesn't mean they won't. they didn't voice opposition during that meeting, so that is...
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. >> one last question, harry reid said if you can't put something by tonight, he will put a scaled down version of what the president has asked for with regard to tax cuts on the senate planned for of course that is raising taxes on everybody making above $250,000 a year. do you think, knowing your republican colleagues, that enough republicans will cross over the democratic side and allow that to pass, if -- even if it's 60 votes needed? >> you know, it's hard to say until we know exactly what might be in it. this -- this is what i would say about that. if that's where we end up and if he decides to move a bill onto the floor and maybe could pick up the house passed extension of all the rates, hr-8, as a vehicle for that he ought to open it up to the amendment process, give us an opportunity to debate some of these things that we think ought to be a part of t what he will more than likely do, if history is any guide in this, is take a bill and felt amendment tree and prevent republicans from having an opportunity to offer amendments. think we would welcome an opportunity to have a deba
. >> one last question, harry reid said if you can't put something by tonight, he will put a scaled down version of what the president has asked for with regard to tax cuts on the senate planned for of course that is raising taxes on everybody making above $250,000 a year. do you think, knowing your republican colleagues, that enough republicans will cross over the democratic side and allow that to pass, if -- even if it's 60 votes needed? >> you know, it's hard to say until we know...
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harry reid has been meeting with his caucus. republicans have been meeting on their side and the senate should be coming back in this afternoon as well. what would you give up in the fiscal cliff negotiations? let's go first to bridgeport, connecticut. thanks for waiting. >> i was thinking the republicans should drop the cpi issue that they have been discussing. it seems to me that they're working on getting it worked our for the estate tax. >> the chain on the consumer price index was a point of contention raised on the house floor. the reporting from politico earlier about the loggerheads' this afternoon, they say that the provision would result in lower payments for social security beneficiaries. boston, the independent go ahead. >> most companies in the u.s. are now headquartered in toronto. they make their profit in bermuda. we're spending 47 cents on the dollar on the deficit. we will have to do like canada and put a tax on gasoline. what is your opinion? what should we do to fulfill the debt and our obligation? >> what is
harry reid has been meeting with his caucus. republicans have been meeting on their side and the senate should be coming back in this afternoon as well. what would you give up in the fiscal cliff negotiations? let's go first to bridgeport, connecticut. thanks for waiting. >> i was thinking the republicans should drop the cpi issue that they have been discussing. it seems to me that they're working on getting it worked our for the estate tax. >> the chain on the consumer price index...
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that's harry reid. but if you wait until the last minute, you'll have situations like we have now. it didn't have to be this way. we acted months ago. i'm sorry the senate didn't choose to do so and i'm sorry the administration didn't ask them to do so. >> sam stein, go ahead. >> congressman, i just have a question about sort of the long-term strategy for the congressional republicans, because obviously, in 2011, there was a chance, there was a deal possibly out there that included not just cpi, but the raising of the medicare eligibility age. looking back at that, and of course, looking back at two weeks ago where it was again on the table, do you think there were missed opportunities there by leadership in the congressional republican party? >> i don't know if there were missed opportunities, but again, i'm a big believer in solving problems one step at a time, and i think one thing we have learned is this elusive grand bargain isn't likely to happen between this administration and this congress. it can't seem to think that big and do that big a thing at once. i'm sorry. i wish i
that's harry reid. but if you wait until the last minute, you'll have situations like we have now. it didn't have to be this way. we acted months ago. i'm sorry the senate didn't choose to do so and i'm sorry the administration didn't ask them to do so. >> sam stein, go ahead. >> congressman, i just have a question about sort of the long-term strategy for the congressional republicans, because obviously, in 2011, there was a chance, there was a deal possibly out there that included...